Eric Holder seems to have told Senators that his options to fight for gun control has significantly narrowed:
Attorney General-designate Eric Holder conceded during his confirmation hearing Thursday that the government’s options for regulating the possession of firearms have been narrowed in the wake of the Supreme Court’s 2008 ruling that the Second Amendment ensures an individual right to bear arms.
“Reasonable restrictions are still possible,” Holder said, including measures such as a ban on the sale of what are called “cop-killer” bullets.
I doubt any of our fair senators were gunny enough to ask him exactly what a “cop-killer” bullet was? I mean, any bullet can kill a cop if there’s a dirtbag shooting at him. In truth I doubt Eric Holder has any idea what a cop-killer bullet is, other than the fiction he’s seen in movies.
It would seem that Mr. Holder has learned from President-elect HopeandChangeâ„¢, and his “[e]ven if I want to take them away, I don’t have the votes . . . “
Eric Holder watches Mel Gibson cop movies…
*Cop Killer* bullets?? This SOB just exposed his ignorance in a way we never could…
In addition to the cop killer bullets comment in regard to his “options”, he said that closing the gun show loophole would be reasonable. No mention of assault weapon bans.
Eric Holder is also the MPAA/RIAA’s favorite top lawyer. He’s really good at going after college student’s and single mom’s that *may have* downloaded mp3’s from the internet.
Those are the ones dipped in Teflon. Duh. Even I knew that. I learned it from watching Ronin.
So, Eric Holder as Attorney General wants to go after the “gun show loophole” and “cop killer” bullets?
Great – the Brady Bunch must be so proud of this guy for latching on to their hysterical buzz words, ones which they have been throwing out there for almost 20 years now.
There’s nothing like an AG with a quixotic approach to law enforcement. *sarcasm*
Someone should have asked about magic wands, because is a bad wizard got one of those…. Who knows what bad things could happen.
Holder: Heller means exactly dick.
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For all those “pragmatists” who whooped and hollered about Heller, Eric Holder said today it is no big deal. You’re still going to get an AWB and federal seizure of control over all private transfers — and it is all cool under Heller.
From the Empty Wheel blog:
Coburn: Heller. I believe SCOTUS got it right. Tell me where you sit today and with that thought what you would do with that.
Holder: Post-Heller the options we have in terms of regulating firearms has been narrowed. It has not been eliminated, but reasonable restrictions are still possible. The Heller decision has to be factored in now. I don’t think we should turn away from discussions about who has guns and how they should be used. I think that we’re in a different world.
Coburn: Do you agree that outside of sporting use there’s a right to own a gun?
Holder: [a little surprised by the question] Post-Heller definitely. I agree with Obama closing gun show loophole, banning sale of cop-killer bullets. Those are the things we need to focus on.
Coburn: As AG will you make a commitment to defending Heller?
Holder: Sure.
Coburn: Would you also do so if SCOTUS granted Cert for a case revisiting Heller.
Holder: I’m a lawyer who follows stare decisis. Ultimate arbiter has said what 2nd Amendment says. Heller is a significant opinion.
Coburn: Assault weapons? Whether or not you think that ban ought to be re-regulated.
Holder: I think making the assault weapons ban permanent would be permitted under Heller.
OK. Are we clear? Heller means exactly dick.
Did you really just paste an entire blog post into someone else’s comments?
I guess that I should just admit right now that Eric Holder is just like any other liberal Democrat – he talks from both sides of his mouth. If he and his ilk even wanted to be the least bit honest with us gun owners, they would not even be calling their new “assault weapon” ban as such – they would be calling it a “semi-automatic” ban instead. That is what it would really amount to.
Here in New Jersey during the 1990’s, a guy with no criminal record and a long-time lawful gun owner suddenly found himself on the wrong side of this state’s “assault weapon” law for mere possession of a Marlin Model 60 .22 caliber semi-automatic rifle, one which he in fact legally owned before the law took effect, but had just stowed away in his gun safe and forgot about. This is simply because the Model 60 tubular and integral magazine has an overall capacity of 18 rounds, which is three rounds over the legal limit of this outrageous and unconstitutional law in New Jersey which has been on the books for nearly 20 years now.
Wolfwood sez: “Did you really just paste an entire blog post into someone else’s comments?”
One of my many sins. Why don’t you react to the substance?
He’s following the standard gun grabber line on Heller. That’s not to say The courts will bite. At the least, they’ve had to retreat from prohibition and the notion that the second amendment doesn’t mean anything. The lines for the next major court battle have been drawn. It’s not a foredrawn conclusion we’ll lose.
The monumental sale of firearms, ammunition and the addition of new gun owners, (My 70 y.o. father in-law). Federal lawmakers have taken notice. Or at least those that want to keep their seats in the next election, 2010. Gun owners equal votes. New firearm owners reacting to the newly elected president equal even more votes. My opinion….legislators will tread lightly.
I was hearing all too often over the last few months of 2008, and even more recently, that AR-15’s have been selling out wherever they can be sold legally. Does anybody know if the same is true for AK type rifles? I’d like to buy one, that is, if I decide that this is THE year for me to finally move away out of New Jersey and to a state without an “assault weapons” ban, not to mention other unconstitutional gun laws.
Sebastian sez: “He’s following the standard gun grabber line on Heller. That’s not to say The courts will bite. At the least, they’ve had to retreat from prohibition and the notion that the second amendment doesn’t mean anything. The lines for the next major court battle have been drawn. It’s not a foredrawn conclusion we’ll lose.”
And that case takes how long? In any event it is decided after the fact of confiscation, so once again you back up in the hope of being retored your natural rights by the black-robed fools. You guys sure get the Chip Diller Prize for masochism. “Thank you, sir, may I have another.”
This isn’t “pragmatism” by any definition of the word. It is surrender by degree.
Remember, this guy will now be the top cop in the nation. And you didn’t want to spend any of your precious “political capital” to fight him. Sheesh.
No mike, many people know that he will get confirmed no matter what we do… thus it would be rather pointless to fight it…
The fight for his nomination was lost on Nov. 5th… Beating the dead horse is pointless and a huge waste of time, effort and money.
But i suppose that until the NRA is standing en masse on the steps of the Capitol building firing shots into the air and screaming “shall not be infringed”… that you wont be happy.
“But I suppose that until the NRA is standing en masse on the steps of the Capitol building firing shots into the air and screaming ‘shall not be infringed’… that you won’t be happy.”
I’ll be happy the day that people understand that the NRA has acted as a mercenary Judas goat, taking their money while leading them down the path to enslavement by compromised inches.
However, your plan has merit. Let me know when you have the stones to execute it.
The truth of the matter is that the NRA will prove to be wholly irrelevant to the threat that the Obamanoids pose. The time will shortly come when even you will burn your NRA card in disgust. The Lairds of Fairfax indeed.
So in 1798 when the Alien and Sedition Acts were signed I bet many thought: “The First Amendment means dick.”
I mean, it was only 7 years after ratification of the Bill of Rights and these clearly unconstitutional laws were passed.
It took around a hundred years for the First Amendment to be fully fleshed out in the courts to get it to the point we have it understood today.
And you want one case to completely define the full scope and breadth of the Second Amendment?
You can live in your fantasy world or you can live in the real world.
Mike Vanderboegh
1. The substance of your post is “Holder is anti-RKBA.” What’s there to respond to?
2. Quit calling people cowards. You talk and talk and talk, but one day someone’s going to actually follow your advice and get himself killed standing up for a “principle” that most Americans are wholly ignorant of. Virtually no one knows who Randy Weaver or that guy from Tennessee (?) who notified the feds that he was making illegal weapons out of principle are. I’ve seen some of the comments of your followers at SSI and in comment threads, and some of them seem eager for the least bit of provocation so they can, in their own eyes, take up arms for a righteous cause. There are people who do listen to you and you’re leading them astray.
“1. The substance of your post is “Holder is anti-RKBA.†What’s there to respond to?”
The “substance” is that Heller, who you mokes have been praising and counting on so much, means exactly dick.
“2. Quit calling people cowards. You talk and talk and talk, but one day someone’s going to actually follow your advice and get himself killed standing up for a “principle†that most Americans are wholly ignorant of.”
Since that person is most likely going to be me, what’s your gripe? When I’m gone you won’t be reminded of how little your espoused “principles” actually mean to you.
“Virtually no one knows who Randy Weaver or that guy from Tennessee (?) who notified the feds that he was making illegal weapons out of principle are. I’ve seen some of the comments of your followers at SSI and in comment threads, and some of them seem eager for the least bit of provocation so they can, in their own eyes, take up arms for a righteous cause. There are people who do listen to you and you’re leading them astray.”
You insult these men and women of principle who have simply decided they will not be pushed back further from their God-given and inalienable rights. I could not “lead them astray” if I wanted to. I’m a scribbler. If what I say resonates with them, it is because they have already made up their minds about where their line of resistance is.
In that respect they are unlike you. If the visage in the mirror looks like a coward to you, who am I to challenge it?
M.Smith sez: “So in 1798 when the Alien and Sedition Acts were signed I bet many thought: “The First Amendment means dick.†I mean, it was only 7 years after ratification of the Bill of Rights and these clearly unconstitutional laws were passed. It took around a hundred years for the First Amendment to be fully fleshed out in the courts to get it to the point we have it understood today. And you want one case to completely define the full scope and breadth of the Second Amendment? You can live in your fantasy world or you can live in the real world.”
(Buzzer sounds.) Oh, I’m sorry, wrong answer. Have you never actually read what followed those acts? Jefferson (sometimes secretly) writing the Virginia and Kentucky Resolves, threatening secession and war if the Adamsites didn’t back down? Militias drilling, getting ready for war. Ring a bell? Only Jefferson’s election in a rejection of Adams’ play averted it. What was that about fantasy?
Unfortunately we do not have an election scheduled soon enough to avert armed conflict this time. The only hope, a faint one, is that the opposition may still be playing according to the old political rules — i.e. 1994. Personally, I think they won’t, simply because they think they can split the Elmer Fudds from the Evil Battle Rifle people, with the assistance of the Pragmatists. This scheme will come apart upon the rock of our resistance, hence, war.
Best summation of Heller, ever. Left as a comment at my blog.
“In the Heller decision, the majority of the justices ruled that you have an individual right to have your individual right infringed. The minority decided you have a collective right to have your right infringed.
Outstanding jurisprudence. Just outstanding.
4 traitors and 5 morons.”
Wolfwood, you’re thinking of Wayne Fincher in Arkansas, who is, as Mike says, a man of principle (but not a Fairfax smoothie).
For something that “means dick”, it’s sure had actual effects on actual laws and actual cases.
Your hyperbole, Mr. Vanerboergh, is ineffectual, as is your fantasy-land absolutism – especially given the lack of any plausible alternatives being suggested.
Please suggest to us, for example, an alternative political organization to the NRA that has even the slightest chance of producing superior results in terms of gun rights.
(And I don’t mean necessarily “show us an existing group like that”; a notional one will be fine, as long as its basis can be shown to be plausible, as well as the effects you want from it.
But you must remain in the real world where gun rights are not very popular with the populace as a whole – despite being in the Constitution – and where popularity matters more to government action than strict Constitutionalty.
Because that’s the world we are all stuck living in.)
If the existing paradigm dooms you to defeat, get another. Doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result is, they say, true insanity.
You want to be popular? It’ll never happen, the Gramscian dialectic of our enemies is too far along. You want a majority of the people’s permission to exercise your rights? You’ll never get it. So how do you propose to maintain your liberty and property in such a land without changing the paradigm?
I once said, to someone who demanded a short answer to what I thought about gun control, “If you try to take our firearms, WE WILL KILL YOU.” If we cannot count on the polls (and we obviously can’t) or the courts (ditto) or the press (double ditto), then what are we left? Why only our refusal.
That is the real world we are stuck in. The fact that your perceived “reality” does not as yet align with ours is only a matter of time and events. We will not back up, they will try to take our property and you will be forced to choose. And THAT, like it or not, is the reality of things.
Mike Vanderboegh
If you were ever going to, you would have already. That you haven’t tells me all I need to know about any possible revolt from you. As to your eager-beaver followers who seem to think black helicopters track you and that Obama will have you killed (perhaps after setting off a domestic EMP in your area), I can’t say the same for them: I fully expect to find headlines along the lines of “Man with SKS shot dead while resisting arrest for mail fraud” from some of the Sipsey Street Irregular regulars.
I’d be tempted to say “put up or shut up,” but I know you won’t do either; what worries me is that some of your followers will try to do the former.
Alright, let us not let this descend into more of a pissing contest than it already has.
“No mike, many people know that he will get confirmed no matter what we do… thus it would be rather pointless to fight it…”
Jesus tapdancing Christ! Are you one of those assholes who go around telling women to just relax and enjoy it while they’re being raped too? Honestly, do you have ANY idea how stupid that statement sounds?
Wolfwood apparently has difficulty meeting the gaze of the human specimen in the mirror. I can understand why. Poor Wolfwood. When he is overtaken by the events that we tried to warn him of, he will still blame us and not our attackers and oppressors.
A harsher comment regarding the Wolfwood’s of the world from a response to my post here: http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2009/01/original-sin.html
Johnny said…
Here’s a tip, judging from my experience of the shooting community in the UK and my wider knowledge of human psychology, the hardcore Prags will be amongst your worst enemies. They’ll be “working within the system” to include actively aiding the Waco Killers against the Threepers. The only way the Prags will be able to fight the cognitive dissonance generated by the failure of their belief system is to pretend to themselves their beliefs haven’t failed them, despite all factual evidence to the contrary. Take a watch of the documentary series, “The Nazis, a Warning From History” and you’ll see the pathology laid out.
They have failed because they are not practical men with sound moral principles. Give me an honest enemy any day.
Eric Holder And Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton,”Democrats”Pen chat destoy a second amendment and a constitutional
one change for a totalitarians facists
No gun Control never Repugnant Represion
no nazist confiscations
Yes guns Rights long live a second amendment a GOA and NRA