Looks like one of the Class III dealers attending the Valley Forge Gun Show decided to stop and have some dinner with $200,000 worth of inventory in the back of his truck, and $5,000 cash. It got broken into, and the contents stolen.
If I had $200,000 dollars worth of Title II firearms in the back of my truck, and I got hungry, I think the drive through would work just fine. Not only are those firearms now in criminal hands, they are no longer available to the civilian market. If I am ever in the market for a machine gun, I won’t be buying it from Arms & Ordnance.
That’s okay; they seem to be out of stock anyway.
Lighten up. Arms and Ordnance are not the criminals here.
If this is the dealer I remember, he had a boat load of old Tommy Guns, and one or two belt fead machine guns. I think he musta been closely watched, and thus targeted.
I have to agree, having a truck full of valuables justifies a drive through, or take out while someone waits in the car, at the very least.
Well…….They can always get a job with BATF!
He might have been the victim, and wouldn’t argue otherwise. But that’s 200,000 worth of NFA items that are now lost to the civilian market. I mean, Cemetery is right. He was probably targeted. You should be on the look out for that with so many valuable firearms. I think as a Class III dealer you have a pretty significant responsibility to safeguard your inventory, and making yourself an easy target isn’t the way to do that.
It’s kind of the same situation when I had a friend that god mugged walking through a crappy neighborhood at 2AM with his iPod buds sticking out of his ears. I wouldn’t argue he’s not a victim, but dude, what were you thinking?
Poor judgement? Yes. Stupid? Maybe. If the actual crime matches what was reported, I think he has paid the price for these infractions.
However, for me, these are not reasons to stop using him as a vendor.
So if even Forbes reports that Class III firearms are a good investment, you think it’s possible that these guns were stolen for sale on the black market, sorta like items of antiquity?
I think it’s a possibility.
I don’t blame you Dogboy. I’m not calling for a boycott or anything. I’m just suggesting for me it was a bit too careless.
Cemetery:
As soon as they are illegal they cease to be a good investment. You’re paying for the registration as much for the gun itself.
That’s a damn shame. You’d think they would be much more careful.
sounds like a bunch of flying crap to me….
There have been MANY cases where people are careless on Purpose, just to have the merchandise stolen by a friend after it was insured, just to sell it on the black market for much more..
Logically, from the main post, it seems like this could be very possible… ….
That’s a nice horse you are on there …
“There have been MANY cases where people are careless on Purpose, just to have the merchandise stolen by a friend after it was insured, just to sell it on the black market for much more..
Logically, from the main post, it seems like this could be very possible…”
Ah yes…. It’s a conspiracy…. A conspiracy to have $18,000-$30,000+ (what is the price for NFA registered belt-feds?) firearms stolen then sold on the black market for a fraction of their original value. It’s a conspiracy I tell you!
Who’s to say that just before Obama tries to confiscate all the NFA-registered machine guns, along with banning all the semi-automatics, that we’ll be hearing about a whole lot more of them being “stolen” first?
Yeah, I’m with Sanchez there. It seems to be an awful bad conspiracy if it is one. Automatics actually have a much higher value in the legal market than they do on the black market. On the legal market, you’re paying for that entry in the NFRTR (which humorously might not even be there) that says you have one of the few firearms that were registered before 1986. That has no value on the black market.
That’s a nice horse you are on there …
Maybe so, but if every Class III dealer or owner were so careless, pretty soon we have nothing left of the civilian market in machine guns. I think it’s important we take care to preserve what’s left. Even absent the responsibility to the firearms community, would you stop somewhere if you had $200,000 of cash in your vehicle? Hell, I’d be driving like the devil was chasing me back to where I can better secure anything worth that much.
Who’s to say that just before Obama tries to confiscate all the NFA-registered machine guns, along with banning all the semi-automatics, that we’ll be hearing about a whole lot more of them being “stolen†first?
Because it’s pointless, you’re paying for the registration that makes them legal. If you think they are going to be illegal, a DIAS and some machine tools are a much cheaper investment.
I do have to agree that it was careless. I don’t think I would have said I wouldn’t do business with him, but only because I can’t fathom I’d need to at any time to begin with.
However, I’ve worked the gun show circuit, and I heard regularly from folks to watch out for anyone following you. I never had guns (except the one in my purse…), but I did usually have a few hundred dollars in cash on me. They said that every once in a while, a regional show would have reports of guys following a dealer out to his car while he was loading it up to leave, or follow him off show grounds and then make a move to rob him.
Hey… If we were to stick to the conspiracy crap there are still other ways that would be a whole lot cheaper and land you better equipment than paying $200,000+ for a load of rattly old sub-machine guns you want to disappear. Such as what Sebastian mentioned.
Yeah, definitely careless. Hell, when I have just $1000 worth of firearms (or ANY firearms for that matter, regardless of net worth) in my truck and I decide to stop for something to eat, I park my truck somewhere visible from the inside of the building and pick a spot to sit where I can watch the damn thing.
If I had $200,000 worth of firearms? Yeah, I’d not be getting out of my rig.
If I had $200,000 worth of Class III stuff I’d own my own restaurant and have the food delivered.
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Another alternative….
Knowing Obama was coming for his guns. He had a friend transfer them to another vehicle. Filed a police report. And now is the proud owner of $200,000 worth of machine guns the government won’t know he has for when they get rid of Title III ownership.
Just a possibility…
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That said, if the above is not the case, it sucks for everyone involved… *sigh*
no high horse.. i posted an actual case ;) Its interesting how closed minded people are, especially those trying to keep guns legal.
Its easy to argue about who or whats right..but do your argments get Results? In fact, what Results have any of YOU gotten YOURSELVES?
The Point: Sitting with the same minds gets nothing done,
you’re all talk, very little action, if any.
yes, off topic..