“There needs to be common sense restrictions”

… on firearms, says Mayor Gavin Newsom of San Francisco.  After he lost in court over his first set of common sense restrictions, total gun prohibition on the sale of guns in the city, and a total prohibition entirely of handguns, he’s at it again:

Mayor Gavin Newsom quietly introduced a package of gun control measures on Tuesday that would make it illegal to possess guns on city-owned property and require residents to store handguns in locked containers.

But, even some of the legislation’s co-sponsors conceded the proposals will have little effect on the proliferation of illegal guns on San Francisco streets.

When even the supports admit it won’t really do anything, why pass it?  Can someone explain to me how I’m suppose to have  reasonable dialog with someone who has this kind of mentality?

Illinois Gun Makers Getting Nervous

From the Quad-Cities online, it appears that opposition to the IL magazine ban is mounting:

GENESEO — When one of Illinois’ gun control bills finally broke through the Senate last week, it sent a collective chill up the spines of five local gun manufacturers and the 500 employees it could impact in the Illinois Quad-Cities area.

Last Wednesday, Illinois Senate Bill 1007, which bans making, selling, possessing, delivering or buying magazines that hold more than 10 bullets, passed 31-26. On Monday, local gun manufacturers, politicians, and representatives from the Illinois Quad City Chamber of Commerce held a press conference denouncing the Senate bill and jobs it could cost the area.

Apparently Springfield Armory is saying they will be forced to leave the state if this passes.   Springfield is apparently Geneseo’s third largest employer.  Armalite is also located there as well, with 85 employees.

Sen. Dan Kotowski, D-Park Ridge, the bill’s sponsor, said last week that the bill would limit the damage done by criminals.

‘Acknowledge the reality that there’s only so much we can do,’ Sen. Kotowski said. ‘There’s 300 million guns in the country. …Criminals are going to get guns. Why not limit the damage that they can cause?’

Are Park Ridge voters paying attention to this clown?  So we can’t get keep guns out of the hands of criminals, but supposedly magazine control will be easy?  Maybe if I take some more allergy medication this will start to make sense, but right now the logic eludes me.

Rock River Arms, Colona, has also said it would relocate if necessary. Les Baer Custom, Inc., Hillsdale, owner Les Baer was also present Monday. Mr. Baer is in the process of trying to move his business to LeClaire, Iowa. Two weeks ago, a Davenport Alderman said he spoke to Rock River Arms and Lewis Machine and Tool about moving to Davenport.

Geneseo Ald. Ed Deener, 1st Ward, said if Springfield Armory and ArmaLite move from Geneseo, ‘it would devastate us. Housing values would go down. School revenues would take a dive. It would be just like dominoes in a negative way.

‘It would have a ripple affect.’

That’s a lot of jobs!  I wonder how many other jobs support these manufacturing operations?  I guess devestating the town of Geneseo is just fine by the Chicago politicians, if it means they can avoid admitting that their local gun controls are a failure.   I wonder how the people if Geneseo feel being sacrificed on the alter of Chicago’s delusions.

Left’s Ideas on Constitutional Rights

I sometimes wander across other Pennsylvania bloggers in the course of my readings, and occasionally feel like pointing out something else. I agree with many of the sentiments in this fairly well written post, but one stands out to this libertarian:

My biggest concern with Nutter has been his “stop & frisk” proposal, Nutter’s ‘stop & frisk’ emerges as flash point. I’m not quarreling with the fact that a crisis situation exists in Philly, which needs to be dealt with, based upon the gun violence that has made Philly the Baghdad of the United States. I’m just not crazy about any infringement of our constitutional rights, whether it originates from the left or the right.

As I’ve written here before, I have issues with Nutter’s “Stop and Frisk” policy. But I find this blogger’s disdain for gun owners and support of gun control rather contradictory for someone who is concerned about constitutional rights.

She also brings up the issue involving State Rep Cruz and Williams, which I have previously condemned here, here, and finally here. I would point out, though, that every political movement has it’s crazies, and most of us aren’t nuts. I would encourage folks out there who are sympathetic to this bloggers views to meet some gun owners. You might find we’re not monolithically right wing people. Our beliefs and politics span the political spectrum. I am not a religious man. I support legalized abortion. I support allowing gays to marry. I agree with this blogger that Santorum had to go, despite his strong support of our second amendment rights. I’ve met plenty of other gun owners who are more progressive than I am. But we all do share a common belief that the right to keep and bear arms is an important constitutional liberty, and ought to be treated equally to the others, and not with disdain and scorn. Is that too much to ask from some elements of the left?

Make it Hurt

As we await Mayor Street’s signature on several anti-gun ordinances recently passed by City Council, we’re faced with what to do about it. It’s not clear yet whether the city actually plans to enforce its new ordinances, or whether this will be window dressing as the election approaches, and soon forgotten about.

The big problem we face as a state is that Philadelphia incurs little in the way of cost for passing their own gun control ordinances. If they do try to enforce them, charges won’t hold up in court because of state preemption. But that won’t help keep folks out of jail, and the city will still be able to hassle gun owners. There will be lawsuits, but those will take a while to immediately hurt the city, and make it reconsider its actions.

What we ought to do is add a provision to the state’s preemption.

c) Penalties: Not withstanding any other provision of state or local law, any county, municipality or township creating or enforcing an ordinance or regulation in violation of § 6120 (a) shall forfeit any appropriations from the state budget.

Or something along those lines. If there is a cost to the city of passing and enforcing these things that would be felt immediately, I think this nonsense would stop.

Feinstein at it Again

Diane Feinstein, who really wants to make sure their party loses in 2008, are pushing for making 50 caliber rifles NFA weapons. Another bit of “reasonable” gun regulation we’re asked, with righteous indignation, why we won’t endure.

Meme Battles

I’m hopping angry at Attorney General Gonzalez and the Bush Administration over this terrorist watch list anti-gun bill.  He might as well have handed the anti-gun groups and the media the rhetorical vise with which to put the screws to us.

Here’s the meme we’re fighting, it’s all over the media:

NRA wants to allow suspected terrorists to purchase guns

Take a look, and you’ll find this everywhere, and it’s incredibly damaging to us.  The reason is because these battles are waged in the public mind through use of memes, and that is a powerful one.  The answer to that is not a meme.  It’s complicated, and difficult to dispense with in a sound bite.

Much of the left, which normally strikes out against the administration for various perceived or real infringements on civil liberties, has embraced this one, since it’s damaging to a core conservative constituency.

How do we fight this meme battle?  How do we make the position that no citizen should be deprived of constitutional rights without due process? How do we make people understand that we don’t want terrorists getting a hold of firearms any more than anyone else in this country does?

I don’t have an answer to this.   And I’m quite getting tired of the media, who are quick to defend liberties they find dear to them, so carefully maligning liberties other people find important, and not even having the courtesy, and actually having the gall, to suggest that our concerns are driven by a desire to arm terrorists rather than legitimate due process and civil liberties concerns.

Similar to Voting?

I stumbled across an post over at another blog discussing why the editor doesn’t belong to the NRA.  In the discussion in the comment, a subject came up that I’ve heard many times in regards to defending restraints on rights:

You have the right to vote, but you still have to register and prove you have the right to vote in a particular area.

It’s an interesting line of argument, and certainly one often used, so I pointed out:

The second amendment supports one’s fundamental right to self-defense, and is an enumerated right. Voting is actually not considered a right under common law, or in US constitutional law, which is why the constitution has five amendments that specifically limit how states may restrict voting. If it was a right, the way we think of speech, assembly, religion, self-incrimination, what have you, no amendment would be required to limit state powers in this regard except for the fourteenth amendment.

In other areas of constitutional law involving rights, prior restraints on exercising those rights are generally regarded as invalid, and the courts place the severest burden on the state in these types of cases. This law would be a prior restraint, with no due process protections. You are, in effect, severely limiting one’s right to self-defense, or at least to have access to tools that are useful for that purpose. It’s a presumption of guilt. It’s the citizens burden to prove otherwise that he is not guilty. It’s a complete mockery of our constitutional system to do something like this.

I think critics of the administration are quite right when they point of abuses such as the Jose Padilla case, where a US citizen, who was not captured in a foreign theater of war, and therefore can’t be considered subject to military jurisdiction as a prisoner of war, was nontheless thrown into a military prison and deprived of his rights under the constitution.

What I don’t get is how what Gonzalez and Lautenberg want to do is any different.  We’re still speaking of depriving someone of a fundamental right without any due process.  Sure, the right to bear arms may not seem important, but suppose you’re a shop owner of Arabic decent, and you suddenly find yourself getting threats, because, well, for some reason someone decides they want you out of their neighborhood because they don’t like muslims.  You decide it would be best to keep a firearm in your shop for self-defense.  But oh, your name is the same as a known terrorist.  Sorry, no gun for you, but if you fill out this form and file an appeal, we’ll think about letting you exercise your rights.  Hopefully in the mean time, no one will carry out their threat.  If you call 911, maybe we’ll get there before you’re lying murdered in your shop.

I would think there would be more outrage on the left over something like this.  But alas, no.  The other commenter seems to be rather annoyed by my line of argument, and resorts to condescension rather than seriously refuting my argument.  Strolling around the lefty blogs to see the reaction to this latest pile of steaming crap from the Bush Administration has left me rather more convinced they don’t have any serious arguments.