What Would Have Worked?

 According to Paul Helmke:

It’s long past time to have a serious national conversation about gun violence. It’s past time for us to agree that something is wrong when an individual with such obvious signs of instability can legally arm himself with the extraordinary firepower necessary to murder so many innocent people. Something is wrong when thirty-two people die from gun violence inflicted by others, not just at Virginia Tech on April 16, but every day in this country. Obviously, what we’re doing now is not working.

A Walther P22 is extraordinary firepower?  A Glock 19 is extraordinary firepower?   These are common guns.  The Glock 19 is probably the second most common police sidearm (after the Glock 17).  It fires a 9mm cartridge, which is so powerful the military wants to go back to the .45ACP because it lacks stopping power.  The P22 is a target pistol, firing the .22LR cartridge, the most common cartridge in the world.  Guns the Brady’s swear up and down they don’t want to ban.

Some people don’t want to have this conversation. They’re content to repeat platitudes, make excuses, nitpick proposals, and postpone taking action. They accuse the rest of us of “politicizing” the issue, while they hide behind the gun lobby’s talking points.

I don’t blame you for politicizing, as we were all doing that.  I blame you for trying to cash in on it.

It is not “politicizing” the tragedy to ask what we can do to make ourselves and our families safe from gun violence. When politicians and pundits deny that a problem exists and that is susceptible to policy revisions and cling to their ideological fenceposts instead of coming to the table with honest ideas, it is they who must stop the political posturing. They have to ask themselves how they can help keep our communities and our schools safe.

So Brady’s what is your honest idea?  What prescription would have stopped this?  The killer had no previous criminal record.  Background checks did not stop him.  A waiting period would not have stopped him, he obtained his guns a month ago.  Virginia’s one gun a month law did not stop him.  Virginia Tech’s prohibition of weapons on campus did not stop him.  What do you think would have?  It’s not honest to just declare you’re not “politicizing” and others are.   I ask again: What gun control law do you propose would have stopped this deranged killer?

An Exercise in Law Making

SayUncle asks us what gun controls we’re willing to tolerate:

So, here’s a fun game for you pro-gun folks: Due to some bizarre set of circumstances, congress decides that all federal gun laws need to be re-written and revised. You are elected/selected/appointed as the negotiator for pro-gun folks. And there will be one negotiator for the anti-gun folks. All federal laws will be wiped clean and you two will negotiate what the new gun laws will be. There will have to be compromise on both sides. So, what will you concede? And what is nonnegotiable?

Whoever says that their position will merely consist of shall not be infringed, step to the front of the bus and exit please. Because that won’t work. We will have gun laws. As much as I admire your consistency, it’s not feasible. Deal with it.

He’s right about the fact that we’re always going to have gun laws. So here’s my take:

I am willing to accept a constitutional regime that recognizes a right for civilians to keep and bear most small arms and light weapons. No right in the constitution has ever been construed to be absolute, but the right does place the burden on the state to prove that regulation is needed, and is non-infringing. Many of our federal and state gun laws would fail this test.

I am willing to accept that people convicted of crimes of violence can have, as part of their sentence, their right to keep and bear arms removed. People who are convicted of crimes can have a lot of their constitutional rights removed. We generally accept that in our legal tradition. I don’t like some of the current laws that turn one into a prohibited person, and keep you one long after you’ve demonstrated to society you’ve reformed yourself, but if you held a gun to someone’s head, and demanded money, or put your wife in the hospital, sorry, but I have no problems with not being able to have a gun as part of your sentence. I am not willing accept anything short of a conviction in this matter, and only for violent felonies.

I am willing to accept state and appropriate federal regulation of importation, manufacture and sale. This would allow background checks at point of sale, etc. I do think people ought to be permitted to purchase a firearm from a dealer in any state. I am not willing to accept waiting periods. Regulation is fine, as long as a law abiding citizen with a clean criminal record is allowed to walk into a gun store, and walk out with his purchase. I do believe people should be able to mail order guns, but federal requirements on background checks and paperwork can apply here, as well as delivery restrictions to be obeyed by common carriers (e.g., they can’t leave it on your doorstep, and you have to show you are who you say you are, by showing ID).

I am willing to accept state and local regulations on explosive ordnance such as grenades, rockets, and other ordnance that would still qualify as light weapons, provided the regulations is narrowly tailored in regards to keeping dense residential areas safe. Sorry folks, having a crate of grenades in your closet is a hazard to your community, and to anyone who tries to put out a house fire, independent of how responsible and law abiding you are as a person. State and local government can have the power to regulate this accordingly. If you have enough land, or build an acceptable armory to house your collection, I have no problem with this, but your right to bear arms doesn’t extend to putting your community, or the communities firefighters, in danger.

I am willing to accept state and appropriate federal restrictions on heavy, crew served ordnance. This could apply to some heavy machine guns, artillery, MANPADs, anti-tank rockets, etc. Ideally I would like to keep ownership of these possible if you’re willing to go through the process, have enough land, and a safe place to house and shoot, but I don’t think even 10% of the population would be willing to go that far.

I would be willing to accept most provisions of the NFA, as currently enacted, except for the Hughes Amendment. Though, I do believe regulating all but the heaviest machine guns (think 30mm cannon, not Ma Deuce) is inconsistent with my view that the constitution protects un-infringed ownership of personal arms. Ideally I would like to see assault rifles (real ones) and such treated as any other firearm, but I don’t know if even 20% of the population would be willing to go for it.

I would not accept any form of licensing as a prerequisite to gun ownership. I would accept that state governments have the power to regulate the wearing of arms, but are not permitted to license bearing of arms in general . Bearing of arms is constitutionally protected, with the states retaining the power to regulate how arms may be worn. Open carry would have to be legal in every state. And by legal, I don’t mean they can drag you in for disorderly conduct, or crap like that. I mean legal as in, you can do it, and they can’t say crap about it. I would not be willing to accept cars as being automatic concealment. I would push for not being a prohibited person as being an affirmative defense against the charge of carrying a concealed weapon.

I don’t think arms just means firearms. I am not willing to accept any restrictions on keeping and bearing knives, clubs, swords, tasers, defensive sprays, stun guns, air guns, bows, slings, or other personal weapon.

So there is my answer. Don’t get me wrong, I generally think arms control is next to useless, but Uncle is correct that we’ll always have it. That’s the compromise with the rest of the population, who doesn’t necessarily see things the way I do, that I’d be willing to live with. When you boil it down, I’m willing to live with a lot of our guns laws. I want to see the Hughes Amendment gone, some of the importation restrictions of GCA 68 gone, laws prohibiting some form of arms bearing in states gone, state machine gun bans gone, Lautenberg gone, state licensing gone, “assault weapons” bans gone, and I’d like the type 3 (C&R) FFL to apply to everything. Do those, my passion for getting rid of the rest starts to trail off.

College Kids Packing Heat?

SayUncle says things are going to change.  I think he’s right, and hopefully for the better.  I just don’t want to see it go overboard, and have colleges and universities turned into prisons like we’ve done with primary and secondary schools.

I also agree with him that most college kids can’t and shouldn’t carry firearms, but I do believe that people who are licensed by the state to do so ought to be permitted to do so on campuses of colleges and universities.  There are many states that prohibit this by law, and I do favor changing those laws.

Virginia, and also Pennsylvania, do it through university policy, rather than law.  While I don’t think those policies are sound, as applied to license holders, I don’t expect college and universities will change those policies any time soon.  I know people don’t want to risk being expelled, but I can promise you, if I go back to school, they can kiss my ass in regards to their policy.  Keep it concealed and keep your mouth shut.  If a student isn’t mature enough to keep other people from finding out, they are probably not mature enough to carry a firearm, and I won’t cry too hard if they get booted.  There is no good reason, with proper holster, attire, and attitude, that anyone ever needs to know that you’re carrying. Sure, if a deranged lunatic comes and starts shooting up campus, or an armed robber decides to prey on a few students, you might get caught.   But being expelled beats being dead or seriously injured, doesn’t it?

The Blogophere Weighs In

Two MSM editorials by some of our fellow bloggers:

  1. Prof. Glenn Reynolds in the New York Daily News.
  2. David Kopel in  The Wall Street Journal.

Also, be sure to check out Dave Kopel’s debate last night on the
Canadian show The Verdict.  I always love it when the anchor gets into the debate.   That’s objective reporting right there!  And of course, Canada’s gun controls work, just ask the poor souls who died at Dawson College.

Common Pistols

The deranged killer at Virginia Tech, it turns out, had a Glock 9mm, no mention on whether it was the Model 17 or 19, but the 19 is a bit more common on the civilian market. I shoot and carry a Glock 19. The other was a Walther P22, which Ahab carries.

No doubt the media will be parroting VPC and Brady material touting these weapons as high powered killing machines, too dangerous to be used safely by ordinary schlobs like myself and Ahab. But really, the Glock 19 and 17 are probably the most ubiquitous police pistol around, and they are damned popular on the civilian market too. They aren’t particularly powerful or lethal, no pistol is. And the P22? Please. It’s a common target pistol.

UPDATE: Check out  Ahab’s coverage on the P22 and it’s capabilities at his blog, What Would John Wayne Do?

Must Read

This editorial in the Roanoke Times:

Please realize that I am licensed to carry a concealed handgun in the commonwealth of Virginia, and do so on a regular basis. However, because I am a Virginia Tech student, I am prohibited from carrying at school because of Virginia Tech’s student policy, which makes possession of a handgun an expellable offense, but not a prosecutable crime.

I had entrusted my safety, and the safety of others to the police. In light of this, there are a few things I wish to point out.

First, I never want to have my safety fully in the hands of anyone else, including the police.

Second, I considered bringing my gun with me to campus, but did not due to the obvious risk of losing my graduate career, which is ridiculous because had I been shot and killed, there would have been no graduate career for me anyway.

Third, and most important, I am trained and able to carry a concealed handgun almost anywhere in Virginia and other states that have reciprocity with Virginia, but cannot carry where I spend more time than anywhere else because, somehow, I become a threat to others when I cross from the town of Blacksburg onto Virginia Tech’s campus.

Read the whole thing.  We all have to weigh the cost of dealing with rules written in ignorance by others.   My advise to folks is to pay no attention to them, when they have no force of law.  If your attire, attitude and holster is proper, you should never have a problem.  I will not advocate that anyone break the law, but there’s also the notion out there that it’s better judged by 12 than carried by six.  I’ll leave it at that.

HatTip to Dave Hardy, for the original article.

Come On Guys

I know there are Brady Campaign people that sometimes read this blog.  I don’t honestly fault you guys all that much for covering the tragedy at Virginia Tech, or even for making policy implications around it.  I certainly saw a lot of people on our side doing the same.  But come on, changing your web site to prominently feature a “Donate Now!” button is pretty low.

It would be one thing to raise some money to donate to the victims.  It’s another to raise money for your organization and cause by exploiting a tragedy.

Packing The Convention

One resolution that was introduced at the member’s meeting was to allow carry, either concealed or open, at the convention. The person who proposed this resolution got turned back by security after they somehow detected that he was carrying.

I don’t know how they detected him, and have to wonder if he wanted to get caught in order to make a point. I sympathize with the notion. It’s crazy that you can’t carry at the convention, but there are two basic reasons why that’s going to be the case:

  • Most convention center venues are off limits to carry, as was St. Louis’
  • The NRA would be unable to insure the event if they allowed carry, as no insurer would allow for it, given that firearms on the floor are supposed to be deactivated for insurance reasons.

So for that reason, we’re not allowed, officially, to carry. Now, Missouri law is pretty clear on the fact that it’s not a crime to carry in any “off limits” places. Their statute basically reiterates the trespassing laws; if you’re caught, they can ask you to leave.

A motion was made to table the resolution by none other than Sheriff Jay Printz of Ravalli County, MT, who you might remember from Printz vs. US, that got a portion of the Brady Act overturned. Sheriff Printz sympathized with the motion, and said he too likes to carry concealed, but thought it was best to table it, rather than to have a vote. Despite my sympathies to the resolution as well, I voted to table it, because I understand why things are just going to be that way.

For the record, I was packing at all times during the convention, except for the very last day because I had packed the Glock up for flying back as checked luggage. If you keep concealed and keep your mouth shut, you shouldn’t have any problems. Sometimes the rules aren’t going to be on your side, which is why discretion is called for. While I normally will not flout the law, I generally pay no attention to signage. I appreciate what the open carry crowd is trying to accomplish, but I don’t think we’re ever going to go back that world. Keep it concealed, and keep quiet, is my philosophy on the subject.

BAG Day

I plan on using my tax refund to buy another black rifle.   The trouble is, I won’t be getting until after BAG day is over.  I’m also not sure what I want to get.   I’d really like a Robinson Arms XCR, but I don’t want to buy one sight unseen, and I don’t know anyone who is selling one or has one.  I got to try the SIG 556 at NRA and liked the feel of it.  I might also wait for the FN SCAR to come onto the civilian market and see about that.

So Long St. Louis

The convention is over, and I’m sitting here back at home now.  It was my first convention, but I have to say, it was pretty neat getting to meet so many interesting people and seeing the industry’s latest offerings.   I’m already looking forward to next year in Louisville!

My impression of St. Louis was overall positive, though I was disappointed that downtown around the convention center is mostly devoid of any evidence that anyone lives there.  Still, the people are remarkably friendly for a large city.

I’d love to see the convention come to Philadelphia someday, but I’m not sure it’s a good strategic location for the NRA, and I’m pretty sure the cities smoking ban would cause problems with some members.  Despite the fact that The City of Brotherly Love is the birthplace of the constitution and the second amendment, it’s surrounded by places that aren’t strong for NRA, like New Jersey, New York, and Maryland.

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